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November 25, 2008

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mark roberts


Churchill was wrong.

http://pinyin.info/chinese/crisis.html

This is according to Victor H Mair, Prof of Chinese Language and Literature at the University of Pennsylvania.

It is a mistake made by many politicians including JFK, Nixon, Lisa Simpson, Condi Rice and Al Gore.

peter

I think the differences you observe have much less to do with the different political systems than with the different stages each country finds itself in their respective political cycles. The USA has just had a long period (8 years) of hard-right, conservative rule, and now finds itself with an incoming administration with centrist, or centre-left inclinations. The UK was in a very similar position to this back in May 1997. What did we observe with the incoming British administration at that time? Well, many of the exact same tendencies we see now in Obama: a willingness to construct consensual policies (eg, Labour kept to the Conservatives' spending plan for its first 2 years), a willingness to include non-party members in the Cabinet (in addition to the businessmen and ex-conservatives appointed to ministerial rank, Blair even contemplated bringing in one P. Ashdown), and a desire to move the terms of political debate across the board from the right to the centre (eg, the ethical foreign policy of Robin Cook; the adoption of a green agenda). Brown is not taking this route now because Britain's political cycle is at a very different stage to the USA's.

Alex Goodall

I agree with Peter. Besides, it's pretty easy for Obama to be non-partisan when he's not actually in power. Let's reserve judgement on the differences between US and UK politics for six months or so, after Obama starts announcing stimulus packages that dwarf the one just announced in the UK. I think a resurgence of old-fashioned politics in the USA is closer than might be expected.

Ian Leslie

Yes I think y'all have a point. But I still think I have half a point too. The contrast in mindset between Obama vs Brown is striking. That's partly a difference in personal outlook and partly the system. People like Geithner and Summers wouldn't get to hold such powerful posts in the UK because they're not elected politicians. I realise there are good and bad things about that, but at the moment I'm seeing a lot of good...

Ben

Edit - OK, so it was obvious.

I'm not sure this is a fair comparison, and you say why in the first paragraph. The Labour plan IS overtly political, but that's where we are in the election cycle. Both parties need to be identifying 'the choice at the next election' (which I doubt will be any 'clearer' this time round than the last two homogenised faux-third-way pissing contests), while Obama & co are a good way off even thinking about mid-terms. Admittedly it's not around the corner here (unless there's something in the snap-election chatter and no-one bottles it this time), but for a fair comparison let's wait until the PE is also 12-18 months away from re-election or otherwise, and see if times are still 'too serious for party politics'.

'Wait and see'... a less interesting blog post I suppose, but alongside our antiquated parliamentary system an equally characteristic British serving of hesitancy/cynicism.

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