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November 30, 2011

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Kaine

"How do you make the case for a social democratic party that can't spend any more money?"

You point out the flawed premise. Total UK personal wealth in 1996 was around £3 Trillion. In 2006 it was over £6 Trillion. Today it is around £9 Trillion. If we pay off the totality of the UK's debt, the country would still be wealthier than it was in 2006.

The issue is not that UK plc makes no money, it is that the distribution of that money has led to two nations. A rich one, invincible and cosseted, and a poor one, left to the idiosyncracies of global capital flows.

Marbury

Oh well that's OK then! Gosh you've cheered me right up with your numbers. I will ignore those silly OBR folks.

Hal

I'd be interested in your reaction to Paul Krugman, here: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/30/bleeding-britain/

I'm much more familiar with what's going on in the US than in the UK, but there are strong similarities. It seems to me that Krugman's been right that the stimulus in the US was too small, that our basic problem is lack of demand, which government can revive by direct spending, and that the time to close the federal budget deficit is after the economy returns to a growth path, not before.

Are there any Keynsians left in Britain?

Marbury

Oh yes, there are plenty of Keynsians, and the opposition has been arguing for an expansionary fiscal policy to promote growth. But it's very hard to make the case for more borrowing during a debt crisis. The Krugman column is a little masterpiece of polemic, and puts the case better than the Labour Party has managed. But - well, I don't know, but I get the impression that if there was a time when borrowing and spending more would have got us out of this hole - and there may well have been - then that time has passed. Given the new landscape, any more borrowing will take us into Spain/Italy territory.

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