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ejoch

Do you think it's too late for a primary challenge? Over a year to go, after all.

David_Dobbs

This gets at some key and difficult points, Ian -- part of why it's such a painful read. (I mean that in a good way.) I'm conflicted about your conclusions. It sounds as if Obama is over his head, and that matches the impression his debt-ceiling retreat left, especially coming atop so many others. At a rally a week or so ago in Detroit, the crowd reportedly groaned when he said, of his jobs bill, "I still think the parties can work together." And it sounds like he was rolled by Summers.

So was it experience we needed (and should have voted for), or just more strength of character. Experience is important, of course; up to a point, the more the better. But it depends on the experience, and it was H Clinton's track record (esp her vote for the war, which she never honestly accounted for, and her own indecisiveness during the campaign, which you mention, that made me go with with Obama. And I did so because I HOPED he would grow into the sort of president that two other inexperienced presidents, Lincoln and FDR, did. Though one could argue FDR's experience as governor was critical; probably was. But he didn't seem all that strong a candidate for the job, and he, like Lincoln, grew into it.

I had hoped Obama would -- and maybe he will yet. Lincoln didn't look too hot 2 years in, either.

I'm obviously trying to defend/rationalize my support of him -- but also to add a caveat to your own on yielding to the temptation to think Clinton would have done much better here. Possibly. We'll never know.

There's just no pretty way out of this. I often think my country, which I love dearly, is broken. I hope I'm wrong.

Lyle

Could anyone fare well against this specific Republican juggernaut? Even someone with more experience? I doubt it. Hence, what is the benefit of Suskind's book? It's as if he's handed the Rabid Far-right an early Christmas pressie: "Here, guys, here are some damning quotes you can rub in voters' faces all throughout 2012! Milk those quotes for all they're worth. Have fun! Love, Ron."

Also, why do people credit Summers with having the "the smartest economic brain in the country" and "great experience of governing" when he is on-the-record such a massive turd?! Doesn't pathetically low emotional intelligence somehow cancel out his theoretical brilliance? How does Summers govern well when he (apparently routinely) alienates people he works with? I'm not challenging Marbury's description of Summers; rather, I'm flummoxed as to how Summers keeps so many people in his thrall after so many years of being a total w*nker.

Ejoch

Isn't Summers the guy who features in 'The Social Network', and afterwards made that comment about students in suits in the afternoon? Rather undermines his criticism of those guys, if he's really such a jackass himself.

kjc

I remember when all the "realists" were telling all the progressives not to complain about the economic team. Good times.

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